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Is Dreadtnought actually faster?

Postby Mik1 » Sat Mar 12, 2016 9:10 am

As a test i drove both cars on transport with medium engine speed and dominator just seems faster topspeed wise.

https://youtu.be/LiFULTC1XtU heres a side by side of driving somewhat similiar with both cars, dunno why the video is dark but least i got 60fps 8-)

EDIT: The devs are too fast at updating, the videos outdated in the same day.
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Re: Is Dreadtnought actually faster?

Postby wantfastcars » Sat Mar 12, 2016 9:44 am

The Dreadnaught does top out slightly faster, it's just that it's acceleration curve is so slow that with our current tracks you'll basically never get there.
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Re: Is Dreadtnought actually faster?

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Re: Is Dreadtnought actually faster?

Postby yellowquiet » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:49 pm

The dreadnought is too slow at acceleration and turns too slow to be a good car right now. It's just a handicap. Needs a higher acceleration at higher speeds.
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Re: Is Dreadtnought actually faster?

Postby Roq » Sat Mar 12, 2016 4:54 pm

I find the heavier handling of the Dreadnought allows for much better control at high speed. I can win consistently with the tank, but if others are preferring the Dominator, then cool. Nice that there's good variance - should make for some good races once multi-play is in. Can't wait to see what the light and speedy vehicle will add.

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Re: Is Dreadtnought actually faster?

Postby Ryu Makkuro » Sat Mar 12, 2016 5:38 pm

Highest top speed I reached with Dominator so far was 763km/h. Dreadnought on the other hand... 732km/h. This is with Turbo engaged naturally. Without turbo Dominator is more likely to lose speed on the high-end section than Dreadnought but at the same time it will recover that speed faster...

Definitely some re-balancing has to be done as Dreadnought is simply too slow to be competitive in any way. Even on Transport it's slower than Dominator.

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Re: Is Dreadtnought actually faster?

Postby RuskiTalib3003 » Sat Mar 12, 2016 5:48 pm

Speed cap is just a tiny bit higher, add an extremly slow acceleration when compared to Dominator and it's barely noticeable.
I've really noticed it the moment I've popped the turbo on both for a comparsion.

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Re: Is Dreadtnought actually faster?

Postby Roq » Sun Mar 13, 2016 6:43 am

Ok, so for those guys that keep saying the Dreadnought can't compete:

https://youtu.be/r2kVrnqKHMc

Not only am I leading by the end of the 4th (standard game length), but I stay there. The times at the end speak for themselves and as you can see, this was by no means a perfect race. i still hit stuff and got hit by other cars, not to mention one glitch-spin out due to clipping.

I really don't understand people saying the Tank is useless.

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Re: Is Dreadtnought actually faster?

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Re: Is Dreadtnought actually faster?

Postby Roq » Sun Mar 13, 2016 9:33 am

Talking about what other players may or may not do once multi-play goes in is redundant and hypothetical at this point. Also, it's not useful feedback to say that the Dreadnought can't compete (which I can consistently demonstrate that it can) but then state it can, but probably wont be able to against real players. Which is it? Is it actually bad now, or do you just think it will be later? This line of reasoning leads me to think that certain players just aren't used to the difference of the Tank and want it tuned to be more like what they are familiar with. Not sound reasoning to my mind.

If you prefer the Dominator, that's awesome, that's the car for you. If you just want the new hotness, but don't like it's handling, I can only suggest more practice or stick with the driving style that suits you more.

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Re: Is Dreadtnought actually faster?

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Re: Is Dreadtnought actually faster?

Postby wantfastcars » Sun Mar 13, 2016 4:54 pm

The issue isn't that it can't compete. The issue is that one of the Dreadnaught's pros over the Dominator is supposed to be the higher top speed, but due to the much lower acceleration and much wider turning radius, you rarely (if ever) get to demonstrate said higher top speed. What it's supposed to be is that the Dreadnaught favors cruising speed and stability, while the Dominator favors acceleration and agility. The thing is, with how much dramatically lower the Dreadnaught's acceleration curve is (and with how much you have to slow down to take turns), without a really long straight line, it doesn't get to show it's higher top speed, so it's only real advantage at the moment is being a hell of a lot more stable.

In short, the Dreadnaught currently accelerates too slowly to show off it's current "advantage" of top-end speed.
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Re: Is Dreadtnought actually faster?

Postby Vorta » Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:35 pm

It seems that it depends on the player's driving style whether he'll achieve better results with Dominator or the Dreadnought. I've recorded , right after the update came out and it went way better than I expected. I absolutely loved it. I also don't see one car having major disadvantages to the other. Apart from those back vents on the Dreadnought, damn they're ugly. :mrgreen:

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Re: Is Dreadtnought actually faster?

Postby taovakama » Wed Mar 16, 2016 8:28 pm

I don't think its fair to judge the Dreadnaught just yet. I'm sure when the game gets nearer to its finished state (specially the car v car collisions part in this case), the Dreadtnought will be a lot heavier so in addition to more stable ride it would just blast trough any crashed / standing / slow moving lighter cars in the way (like the Dominator) with no problem. In addition im guessing it will be a lot more resilient to incoming damage from weapons, so it will be a case of really easy to drive, not the fastest but very punishing (though hard) to crash type of vehicle.
(On a side note, I find it a loooot more consistent to drive than the Dominator with the keyboard at least)

As for now, it probably is outmatched by the Dominator for pure lap times though only because the things that would make the Dread's most competitive (with the exeption of its top speed) are just not developed yet.

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Re: Is Dreadtnought actually faster?

Postby Ryu Makkuro » Thu Mar 17, 2016 7:29 pm

After the patch that was deployed today (17.03.2016), I felt like Dreadnought had a bit more top-end power. So I did a comparison on the Transport track, to see if there's some improvement.

Comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnBBStWKihg

Dreadnought run only: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN9xf-iRuMY

Dominator run only: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bgytAjxH54


I want to point out the second open space, that nasty right corner. Dominator due to lightness jumps very easily there, much more than Dreadnought which results in a lot less speed since right now the game drastically reduces the speed whenever the contact with ground is lost. If it weren't for that, the difference would be about 0,5s, maybe less. And I'm not talking about bad landing/bounciness. Pure loss of speed when in mid-air.

In short, there's an improvement. Very good one to that, but still not close enough. I think Dreadnought should have a bit more top-end "oompf". Not earlier, just a few more unicorn farts when the VTEC kicks in xD And possibly top speed increased by 10km/h. That IMO would make it a lot better and give it an edge on the high speed sections.
To make it plain, Transport is a high speed track, therefore it's only natural that Dreadnought should've a lead of over 1s on a lap compared to other cars/classes. If you put it on Alhatra or Industrial, it will be slower than Dominator even with the buff I mentioned. I assume the issue with losing speed on jumps is temporary one and won't be present in the finalised version of the physics.

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Re: Is Dreadtnought actually faster?

Postby Mik1 » Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:09 am

Yeah i feel like dreadnoughts better in recent patches, wasnt sure if that was just my imagination.
Maybe if dreadnought had more weight it would stick to the ground more in small bumps/downhills and and that would help keeping up the speed.
The downhill before the drop on transport is always akward for me in high speeds since i get airborne on that small downhill.


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